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George Soros Tells Progressive Donors Obama Might Not Be The Best Investment

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George Soros Tells Progressive Donors Obama Might Not Be The Best Investment

First Posted: 11-17-10 04:10 PM | Updated: 11-17-10 04:34 PM
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WASHINGTON -- At a private meeting on Tuesday afternoon, George Soros, a longtime supporter of progressive causes, voiced blunt criticism of the Obama administration, going so far as to suggest that Democratic donors direct their support somewhere other than the president.
The Hungarian-American financier was speaking to a small side gathering of donors who had convened in Washington D.C. for the annual gathering of the Democracy Alliance -- a formal community of well-funded, progressive-minded individuals and activists.
According to multiple sources with knowledge of his remarks, Soros told those in attendance that he is "used to fighting losing battles but doesn't like to lose without fighting."
"We have just lost this election, we need to draw a line," he said, according to several Democratic sources. "And if this president can't do what we need, it is time to start looking somewhere else."
Michael Vachon, an adviser to Soros, did not dispute the comment, though he stressed that there was no transcript of a private gathering to check. Vachon also clarified that the longtime progressive giver was not referring to a primary challenge to the president.
"Mr. Soros fully supports the president as the leader of the Democratic Party," said Vachon. "He was not suggesting that we seek another candidate for 2012. His comments were made in a private, informal conversation that was about the need for progressives to be more forceful in promoting their agenda. He was stressing the importance of being heard by elected officials."
Dissatisfaction with the Obama administration was not limited to Soros's private gathering with donors. On Wednesday morning, Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina received several tough questions during his address to the Democracy Alliance. According to a source in the room, he was pressed multiple times as to why the administration has declined to be more combative with Republicans, both in communication and legislative strategy. Another source in the room said the exchange was not entirely contentious as people were simply expressing frustration about the fact that "we just came out of an election where the right wing and the Republicans distorted what was going on."
Requests for comment from the White House were not returned, though a Democratic operative sympathetic to the administration said that Soros's dissatisfaction with the White House was "hardly news." Sources who relayed that and other exchanges insisted on anonymity, citing the strict rules against talking to the press that come with being part of the gathering.
The tone nevertheless was said to be notably different this year than in past years. In 2008, representatives for Obama were received relatively warmly when they pitched the need to shepherd funds to the presidential campaign. Other progressive institutions were left -- somewhat bitterly -- looking for scraps. But, by and large, the donor base felt their investment had been wise, with Democrats regaining control of the White House and padding their majorities in Congress.
This year, following a drubbing in the 2010 elections and some stalling on major legislative items, the dynamics were notably different. As one attendee put it: "It was a sober atmosphere... people are looking for answers but they are not unwilling to do the work."
While Soros's comment gave some attendees the impression that he'd cheer a primary challenge to the president, the point, sources say, was different. Rather, it is time to shuffle funds into a progressive infrastructure that will take on the tasks that the president can't or won't take on.
"People are determined to help build a progressive infrastructure and make sure it is there not just in the months ahead but one that will last in the long term," said Anna Burger, the retired treasury secretary of SEIU. "Instead of being pushed over by this election it has empowered people to stand up in a bigger way."
"There was frustration," said one Democratic operative who attended the meetings. The main concern was about messaging. I think they are frustrated that the president isn't being more direct. But I did not get the sense that anyone's commitment to the progressive movement was wavering... The general consensus is that support has to move beyond being about one person and more about a movement. I don't know if we've moved beyond there."
One of those "movement" ventures is an outside-government arm to match conservatives in the 2012 elections. For several weeks, discussions have been led by Media Matters for America founder David Brock about the need to create a group that will run advertisements, conduct opposition research and perform rapid response functions. Those talks continued this past week, though disputes have begun to emerge about the most effective role for such a group. As one activist who is involved with the Democracy Alliance noted:
"There are a handful of funders committed to the idea of taking on corporate interests in politics... I think the [Supreme Court's] Citizens United decision [allowing unlimited corporate donations in campaigns] intellectually caused a shift to want to deal with corporate money. The election results split the partners in the Democracy Alliance, not down the middle, between those who say let's fight back and those who say we have to change the rules."
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TXfemmom 11:01 PM on 11/17/2010
The Democrats, all Democrats, not just progressiv­es need to realize that if Obama does not learn to fight, does not learn to forcefully fight for things, and does not learnt to fight back agains the Republican­s and demonstrat­e leadership which he did not demonstrat­e for some reason, at time, then another candidate may well be the best course in 2012. I voted Read More...
It's hard to soar like an Eagle around Turkeys!
04:06 PM on 12/29/2010
Who cares?????
At the end of too many DOG & PONY SHOWS;
There will be
ONE Democrat (could be OBAMA)
ONE Republican (could be John Bolton....­LOL....)
who will compete to
PLEASE their

SILKQ (Special Interest Lobbyists Kings & Queens)! !
03:52 AM on 12/29/2010
Business and union money has always worked to game American politics. However, Europeon Billionair­e liberal ideologues have only recently bought so much influence. Soros is an enemy of the US and his ability to purchase influence and votes is a primary indication that the system is corrupt.
12:56 PM on 12/12/2010
China is watching, waiting for our great nation to cave. If we don't find a way to get this country back on sound financial footing, attract the brightest and the best from within, and create/sel­l more goods and services that the rest of the world needs, we will continue to be victims of the eccentric, greedy wealth seekers, and the lazy, don't-want­-to work Americans. The average, educated, hardworkin­g Americans, in the middle, and the small business persons who built their businesses from scratch on their own, once the core of the American Dream will be gone forever. Those of us who pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps­, on our own, with no rich-uncle to save us -- are the ones who will suffer the most. China learned a lot more from us then we realize -- they are winning an economic battle and that is all it takes to cave this nation. Richard Nixon encouraged trade with China as a way of bridging a gap and it worked. Now they are using the same strategy on us, and it is working even better. Why??? because we are buying more from them than they are from us. We are a nation of want-want-­want. It doesn't really matter how free we are (or were)... that is another discussion­..., but without the economic strength and the ability to produce goods/serv­ices that other nations need our status in the world will continue to diminish.
You have the right to remain silent
07:07 PM on 12/29/2010
You're just repeating talking points you've gotten from others, without any grasp of what is really moving things. The reality is the wealthy and powerful have been systematic­ally stripping wealth and assets away from the middle and working class for years. The effect on the economy that you are seeing is the net effect of that. They sold you a lie and you gave away your future.
09:15 AM on 12/12/2010
How could such a kid as Obama been given the power to fire such an honorable man as General Mchristyl. The good general should have should have rallied the troops and ousted this punk!! Obama will be nothing more than positive proof that the liberal left is a place this country doesn't want to be in.
Ayn who ?
01:30 PM on 12/29/2010
Hey Joe where you going with that hate in your hand? I'm all for free speech but you're over the top. The generals behavior warranted his dismisal. If you were ever in the military you'd understand the concept of chain of command. You proposing a coup d' etat is seditious. Mr. Obama is the commander in chief and had every right to fire the general for his insubordin­ation. BTW Obama's policies has killed more bad guys in the middle east than that other guy who invaded based on lies.
marilyn 63
03:22 PM on 12/29/2010
yeah, your right leave a loud mouth disrespect­ful General alone(unle­ss it was Bush) to the president alone. thuggery is cool.
You have the right to remain silent
07:09 PM on 12/29/2010
Hey, Joe. You're advocating a military overthrow of the government­. You're a traitor.
10:56 AM on 12/04/2010
Put your money behind Howard Dean. He's the only public figure young enough and willing to fight for the American people. Please start trying to convince him to run again.
05:59 AM on 12/30/2010
He's the top of my list too ^^ Obama ran too soon. Than again? He is too conservati­ve for my taste anyways. So tired of the birther issue. Arnold wasn't born in America and neither was McCain. Sadly proves how many Americans want to feel and look important without reading or writing much. Just makes Beck and Limbaugh proud. Every time they go in for a raise they just play back the dumb things they get Americans to say and yes, the cash register starts ringing for them. Some people will follow just about anyone if it makes them feel important.
Someone who cares - to his unending regret
04:06 AM on 11/29/2010
Problem is you couldn't tell what Obama could do or even wanted to do as there were too many members of Congress wearing the label of Democrat who were wholly-own­ed properties (i.e., Republican­s, in fact).

If progressiv­es want to do something with their money that has long-term implicatio­ns, blow the Republican­s AND the two-faced pseudo-Dem­ocrats out of Congress.

Enough with "majoritie­s that aren't".
Danilo Gurovich
Software Technologist and Motorcycle Blogger
07:38 AM on 11/24/2010
I donated more in the '10 election cycle than I did in '08. If tax cuts for the wealthy passes, My money and support stay home. I'll still vote progressiv­e, but my President will not see a DIME of my money if he just becomes a serial compromise­r.
10:18 AM on 12/04/2010
03:00 PM on 11/23/2010
Obama needs to learn how to play hard ball and move far left and put all the things Republican­s want out of reach and unsigned unless they start compromisi­ng including an emergency stop to the Afghan war.He could insist that Senators and Congress man cut their own salaries and benefits and telling the DOD to cut mainstay Republican war suppliers.­He could start up the Attorney General on investigat­ions into organized Bush Fraud.Hes lost his ability to compromise because the only thing he has left is the Veto pen executive order and judicial investigat­ion.The Republican­s should not be able to play lock out for two years without paying a direct cost to themselves and their constituen­ts.When Carvel says "Grow some" hes speaking for the Democrats and if Obama refuses to he needs to go early while the Dems reorganize around someone who has some.At least we'll go down with a fight and not the lame Carter slide out.
When the sharks are circling kill a shark and let them feed on their own. Its downright nasty politics they want, give it to them, and just except your a one term President.­Pollosi and Obama could put the Senate and Congress in emergency session with zero breaks until the log jam is broken.Our troops wont get any break in the freezing climes of Afghanista­n, why should the egotist laz dog party of destruct get any?
Defender of indigenous rights
05:37 PM on 12/25/2010
If Obama was a progressiv­e he would do those things. If the Democratic Party was a progressiv­e party, they would make Obama do those things. Can you see how the logic works here?
06:04 AM on 12/30/2010
Very true. If Obama was a Progressiv­e we would be praising his name on high. Our guy didn't win the run-off. People still need to suffer more it seems? Expecting Obama or saying he didn't do what we wanted him to do? It's a moot point. He never was going to do what we wanted him to do. And no, we couldn't make him no matter how much we comment. Still, if we don't comment than the lame media, even the liberal sounding one, will misreprese­nt us, call us names, wow, I'm getting it from both angles lately but not too surprised. Too much name calling that isn't effective anyways.
12:12 PM on 11/23/2010
blah blah blah..if you believe in investing in your own people..yo­u will invest in the American public funding system.


You are with "US" the American People..or you are with the Elitist-We­althy corporate power mongering terrorists­.
02:02 PM on 11/21/2010
Welfare for the rich and corporate elite paid for by the government at the federal level exceeds a half-trill­ion dollars per year for the past decade alone. Add in annual amounts of more than $200 billion dollars in defense budget waste, $60 billion dollars in medicare fraud, and $120 billion dollars in welfare fraud and that is almost a trillion dollars per year - a decade worth alone is ten trillion dollars - to wipe out the federal debt and deficit simply eliminate welfare for the rich and waste and fraud at the federal government level thereby enabling families making less than $100,000 per year to pay no income tax at all devoting instead reasonable and progressiv­e taxes to make medicare and social security solvent. Get out of Afghanista­n now and use the savings to invest in American technology­, infrastruc­ture, small business, and jobs. Now that would be a Tea Party Movement most Americans would join - why can't the Democratic Party be that kind of Movement!
11:33 AM on 11/21/2010
To retain power in the Congress and White House in two years, the President and the Democratic Party need to fight hard and publicly for working and most middle class families as to how they are taxed. Families making less than $100,000 per year need all of their income to make social security and medicare solvent and to educate their children and maintain a decent standard of living. It is the wealthy and corporate elite who receive more than $400 billion per year in "welfare for the rich" from the federal government who are not paying their fair share of taxes in return. Fund these tax cuts for working families and make social security solvent and balance the budget by taking away the annual more than $400 billion in government subsidies of the rich and corporate elite and $260 billion of waste and fraud in the defense and medicare budgets. It is gravely unjust to tax the income of families needed for a decent standard of living in order to subsidize welfare for the rich and to subsidize lower taxes on the income of the rich not needed to maintain a decent standard of living. The rich and corporate elite should pay higher taxes to compensate for their hidden costs to society such as pollution related health care costs caused by their greedy and arrogant profit taking activities­. When the President and the Democratic Party actually fight hard on these issues for American families, they will win elections!
11:15 AM on 11/21/2010
President Obama betrayed the American people by failing to fight for the public option and against heavily subsidized dangerous and costly nuclear and continues to support dirty coal and by cratering to GOP demands for continued tax cuts for the rich. He always bids against himself when he "deals" with the GOP and he rarely exposes the GOP hypocrisy on important issues. He has been ineffectiv­e in explaining to the American people why progressiv­e soluitons are important and why GOP solutions or lack thereof are destructiv­e to America. The Democratic Party needs to find a formidable progressiv­e Presidenti­al candidate that "tells it like it is". The Democratic Party needs to address the major issues the GOP falsely exploits and rests on at every election by actually fighting: to cut all government welfare for the rich and corporate elite and all defense and medicare fraud and waste, to balance the budget with progressiv­e tax rates, to provide foreign worker permits and a pathway to citizenshi­p to foreign workers with children born in America, and, yes, to build an Israeli type fence on the border to stop drug, arms, and terrorist traffic, and to stop the outsourcin­g of American jobs and to adopt a natural gas energy policy to fuel trucks and power plants for lasting jobs, clean air, and energy independen­ce, and to make real investment­s in natural gas and electric distributi­on systems and solar manufactur­ing. Do we have such a candidate or such a party?
Joshy X
07:09 AM on 11/21/2010
Soros go Home... this country is tired of you... you are not one of us
marilyn 63
03:27 PM on 12/29/2010
that's what i am starting to think. and all these trolls are with him. ready for the country destroying GOP to tear it down again. hummm whats Sorus saying?. if they put anyone next to Obama and try to primary him when they let Bush have 8 years to tear this country down. that primary person will split the vote. and not win. because a whole lot of us still will vote for Obama.
Democratic WH and Congress 2012
06:11 AM on 11/21/2010
The Republican­s love to keep saying that the country is a right of center nation even though 52.3% of the country voted for Obama and his progressiv­e agenda!

what part of that didn't he get!

Reality is that laws are passed through Congress and when you have folks like Max Baucus running Health Insurance Committees - things do have a tendency to get stuck!

Reality is also that Democrats need to fight against the vast sums of corporate money coming in through the next election!

Folks get ready to give serious dollars to fight back to save our democracy!
Joshy X
07:11 AM on 11/21/2010
1/2 of Obama's voters just voted GOP in the midterms..­. Obama lost his coalition of independen­ts and the rust belt... his election was a fluke of events
Danilo Gurovich
Software Technologist and Motorcycle Blogger
07:36 AM on 11/24/2010
Half? Did the Dems lose the senate? Oh wait. You have your facts kinda mixed up. After 2008 more than 25% of those persons identifyin­g as REPUBLICAN­S left the party and became Independen­ts. So the Independen­t voter, on average, became more conservati­ve.

The people that actually voted for Obama did shift, but not at a rate of 50%. Many just stayed home in disgust with the entire system.

Facts are important. Talking points and facts aren't the same thing.
marilyn 63
03:32 PM on 12/29/2010
that's insane. voted for the very ones that put the country in shambles. were they crazy? wow!! they sure showed Obama didn't they?
Barbie and Ken forever
03:29 PM on 11/20/2010
As much as I am frustrated with Obama, I don't think I'd welcome a primary challenge. I think in his second term, he'd be mor aggressive since he doesn't have to win an election. My problem with Obama is how he's too nice. If he was aggressive and still lost, that's fine. At least I'd know that he was aggressive­. The same thing goes for Democrats
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